Talk:Roman Curia

Nice start

Nice start! I don't know how to finish that introductory sentence. I have an urge to say in a second sentence:

Curia in medieval and later Latin usage means "court" in the sense of "royal court" rather than "court of law" (though those two meanings are related in history). The Roman Curia, then, is the Papal Court.

Is that too pedantic? --MichaelTinkler — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelTinkler (talk • contribs) 13:45, 15 January 2002 (UTC)

Thanks. I just copied the list of institutions off the Vatican website :) No, that sentence sounds fine, so I added it for you. -- SJK — Preceding unsigned comment added by SJK (talk • contribs) 14:10, 15 January 2002 (UTC)

You're welcome - anyway, outlines are the secret heart of the world! --MichaelTinkler

Merge from Roman curia

There is another article called Roman curia. Obviously, the 2 articles should be merged. olivier 09:40 Nov 8, 2002 (UTC)

I moved the text in here. It still needs merging. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.149.37.120 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 7 December 2002 (UTC)

Renaming of template

The template featured on this page, Politics of the Vatican City, is to a major degree a misstatement of the jobs performed by the organizations to which it refers. Perhaps it would be better to rename the template something like "Roman Curia", which includes both the temporal and ecclesiastical responsibilities of the various organizations?

Lordthees 21:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I will look up the bull

I think it was Sixus V (or IV) who actually began the Curia with the bull Ineffablis Deo (I think). I will double check in the next day or so and correct the art if I was wrong.DaveTroy

Are you certain the Curia Romana wasn't started earlier? St. Francis mentions it in his Testamentum, which he wrote in the beginning of the 13th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.20.0.164 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Burial of Curial Cardinals

Where are Curial Cardinals buried? In their titular churches? --StanZegel (talk) 05:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Depends on the Cardinal. Some are buried in the basilicas in Rome, but not all of them.DaveTroy 20:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Curial Names

I changed a couple of the names to reflect their new designation in Pastor Bonus. For what ever reason, esp the Rota, seems to get its name changed on a regular basisDaveTroy 20:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Call for expansion into Medieval period

Clearly the Pope's administrative apparatus before 1588 should be treated somewhere in the encyclopedia. And since it's commonly called the papal curia, I assume that this is where the treatment belongs. Just for example: the article Pope John VIII is correct in asserting, "Among the reforms achieved during his pontificate was a notable administrative reorganisation of the papal curia," and in wikilinking to this page. But anyone reading this article would think that the Roman curia did not exist until 700 years after John VIII! Wareh 15:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Governorate of Vatican City

The picture for this article is a building not related to the Roman Curia? (Though it is a better picture than the one used for Vatican City#Administration) 86.9.167.192 (talk) 11:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Correct. See the Vatican City site for the State and its Governorate, and the Holy See site for the Roman Curia. Lima (talk) 12:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

"Part of series ..."

Perhaps someone familiar with the organization of Wikipedia articles would remedy the placing of Roman Curia in the series called "Politics and government of the Vatican City". The Roman Curia is an organ of the Holy See, not of Vatican City. See also Talk:Roman Curia#Renaming of template above. A series could be formed of the bodies that form the Roman Curia (Secretariat of State, Congregations etc.), perhaps within a larger series covering the Holy See, which includes the Pope. Others will know better than I do what is appropriate. Lima (talk) 05:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Women in the Curia

One of the modern debates surrounding the Roman Curia is the role of women within the institution. For instance, Australian theologian Gerald O'Collins has backed proposals that half of all Vatican curial positions should be filled by women. These internal discussions could perhaps be inserted in one of the articles about the Curia. [1] ADM (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Politics and factions in the Curia

The article could maybe explain why curialists are routinely divided according to liberal or conservative persuastions, and why certain members of the Curia are sometimes suspected of going against the directives of the Holy Father. In other words, it should show how the politics of the Curia are related to the politics of Vatican City. ADM (talk)

Homosexuals in the Curia

There have been a series of allegations about homosexual priests inside the Curia itself. This would probably not be suprising on its own, given that the Curia operates like a large diocese, and that many dioceses have been found to contain unusual numbers of homosexual priests (cf homosexuality and Roman Catholic priests). For instance, Monsignor Tomasso Stenico was suspended after publicly revealing his homosexual orientation on Italian television. [2] There are also reports of homosexual affairs in the book Gone with the Wind in the Vatican, which also mentioned cases of apaprent neoptism and corruption. ADM (talk) 05:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

What about a "History" section?

Wouldn't that be pretty much a must in an article dealing with an ancient and (at times) very influential institution such as the Roma Curia? -- 85.179.173.118 (talk) 23:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Italian Constitutional Court

Aaadmin, need disambiguation page because Consulta is also used as a metonym for the Italian Constitutional Court. At the moment the link to Consulta only redirects to this page, so this is quite urgent!

85.211.119.30 (talk) 16:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Diagram

It would be helpful if a diagram of the structure of the members could be included. Formernun (talk) 19:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion: Pontifical Council for Social Communications: suppressed in March 2016?

Greetings, Please see the discussion here about this Pontifical Council's suppression. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:35, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Laity, Family, and Life

On 4 Jun 2016, Pope Benedict approved ad experimentum the statutes of the new dicastery for the Laity, Family, and Life. Effective on 1 Sep 2016, the existing Councils for Laity and for the Family will be suppressed and merged into the new entity. --Dcheney (talk) 20:11, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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Promoting Integral Human Development

As anticipated, further consolidation was announced today. Effective 1 Jan 2017, the following curial offices are suppressed: the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, the Pontifical Council "Cor Unum", the Pontifical Council for Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People and the Pontifical Council for Pastoral Assistance to Health Care Workers. To replace all of them is a new Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development with Cardinal Turkson as the Prefect.--Dcheney (talk) 10:58, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Overall Order

Perhaps we should consider using the order used in the Annuario Pontificio (2018 is the latest available). The structure there (p2308) is: Secretary of State; Congregations; Dicastries; Tribunals; Pontifical Councils; Offices; and Pontifical Commissions. Note that the Secretariat for the Economy is listed under the "Offices" section. (The 2019 AP will be available in a few months and I'll note if there are in changes in the order.) --Dcheney (talk) 07:02, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Oriental Churches vs Eastern Churches

It appears that the English name of the Dicastery has changed to Eastern Churches per the Bulletin from 13 Jun 2022. Dcheney (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay Nikolaih^☎️📖 21:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

What cardinal is in charge of Roman Curia?

What group of Cardinals including Fernando Vergez Alzaga constitute it, he is in charge of Vatican Observatory? ency.....s;preme.o rg/universe 94.21.92.160 (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

POV on function of Curia

The following text seems to be the official view of the Curia, but not a NPOV factual description. It should be labeled as such, or better, replaced by a factual description.

It is at the service of the Pope, successor of Apostle Peter and of the bishops, successors of the Apostles, according to the modalities that are proper to the nature of each one, fulfilling their function with an evangelical spirit, working for the good and at the service of communion, unity and edification of the Universal Church and attending to the demands of the world in which the Church is called to fulfill its duty and mission (Praedicate evangelium, article 1).

For instance "successor of Apostle Peter" et al. are unnecessary here (I will remove them). "working for the good and at the service ..." is a wish rather than a fact and tell us nothing about the Curia itself. Zaslav (talk) 18:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

That particular phrase was borrowed from Praedicate evangelium paragraph 8. It could use a good re-write. Dcheney (talk) 23:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)